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The GNU General Public License
, Free as in Freedom
, Bradley M. Kuhn
, Richard Fontana
, karen sandler
On !FaiFCast 0x29, hear @fontana's #lfcollab 2012 talk entitled "Decline of !GPL" & @bkuhn's & @kaz's comments on it: http://ur1.ca/9ae3s
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Richard Fontana
The GNU General Public License
, Free as in Freedom
, Bradley M. Kuhn
, karen sandler
Post-0x29 discussion between @bkuhn & @kaz best I've heard for FaiF episodes in a long time
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Was a bit (pleasantly) surprised to hear my blogpost http://dustycloud.org/blog/field-guide-to-copyleft mentioned by @fontana in this one
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Bradley M. Kuhn
The GNU General Public License
, Free as in Freedom
, Richard Fontana
, karen sandler
Possible narcissism bias, @fontana? You probably like it so much because it's the first time in a while @kaz & I have talked about *you*. :)
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@bkuhn High and unexpected praise... thanks!
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@bkuhn I think I have been mentioned in passing on some recent episodes
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@bkuhn ok w/ def: "a person who upsets the status quo by posing upsetting or novel questions". Of course status quo == #TheEstablishment
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Non-copyright assigned AGPL codebase inspired by StatusNet as is much of MediaGoblin's direction; I think @evan deserves more credit there.
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Even if retroactively uninvited from copyleft nutters dinner ;) http://identi.ca/conversation/92567933#notice-92919402
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Diaspora isn't really !AGPL'd. It's not inbound=outbound. StatusNet is one of the few;I admit I don't know much about Owncloud nor filmaster
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Diaspora is still, AFAIK, refusing to make promises in writing that it won't make non-Free versions of the codebase. FSF always so promises.
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@bkuhn No love for GNU FM?
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I *do* think future of copyleft is in hands of developers who write code primarily to make world better. Ppl like me are tangential at best.
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Most of what @fontana says makes sense, with exception of the 1 thing I might know about: "human readable deed" not solution.
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But I didn't make a *universal* claim. There *are* community-oriented,inbound=outbound AGPL'd projects (like yours). There are just very few
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I was gonna say #CiviCRM another important one but http://civicrm.org/what/licensing ... hmm, losing count of the curiosities on that page.
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(got to appreciate the unintentional semantic url though)
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Richard Fontana
The GNU General Public License
, Free as in Freedom
, Mike Linksvayer
, karen sandler
@mlinksva although that part of what I said seemed to resonate with @kaz
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@fontana yes, which I found !disturbing. BTW CC 4.0 licenses will be shorter and more readable, if not less complex.
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@bkuhn too complex is too simple a characterization, but...maybe. what to do more straightforward, I think more or less what said on 0x29...
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@bkuhn ...more explanation (even experiment w/"human readable" summaries, but moreso ~guidance) , tether lawyers v4, maybe another copyleft
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(all w/caveat that I'm bit down on delta achievable via improving licenses. sw freedom needs to be part of broader policy/regulation pronto)
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@bkuhn in member counsel mtg version of talk, I called for analogue of #ModelPenalCode Commentaries for #GPL
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@bkuhn what I was thinking of was !fsf as the #ALI. Problem is, instead you'd have #TheEstablishment and their lawyers taking over.
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@fontana,if you want to talk about #TheEstablishment's lawyers, you are the most prominent among them. Fund !FSF & they'd do more licensing!
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@bkuhn I am not a member of #TheEstablishment. And not sure funds will really help specific problem. There's only one @rms.
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I'd really like @rms to stop traveling (cf:his recent illness while traveling). But he loves it&wants to spread the word of software freedom
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@fontana, I think there's serious value in it. IMO, you're too embedded in #TheEstablishment to realize the value of traveling & speaking.
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@bkuhn IMO you don't realize #TheEstablishment is using your love of #conferences to distract you from saving the #GPL. !notatroll
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I just listened to this talk yesterday. I thought it was great, although I did not hear an outright criticism of the "horse race" metrics.
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I am not sure what value there is in handwringing over whether the AFL or the WTFPL is leading in the races these days.
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It seems like a great way to navel-gaze while not dealing with the much bigger issues affecting Free Software.
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@evan I agree. Maybe I am somewhat guilty of navel-gazing-tendencies myself.
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@evan navel-gazing is underappreciated. Especially the navels of pretty belly dancing ladies.
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@fontana we may spend our time thinking about relative license usage because we can't easily measure other things.
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@evan we can't easily measure relative license use either. we can easily and non-threateningly (to #theestablishment?) handwave about it...
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...I wonder if ez totemic nature of licenses !problematic distraction from less ez, more threatening analysis of other project/org/policy...
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...mgmt/governance issues. eg @webmink a hero for beginning #openbyrule analysis, really needs to be picked up.
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@fontana I think in their analysis @bkuhn and @kaz owned up to *being* #TheEstablishment.
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Yeah, I dunno. Is it really our biggest problem in the FLOSS community -- that some people are doing it wrong?
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I'm much more concerned that we're being locked out of the small-device-connected-to-SaaS paradigm.
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Excellent work keeping your eye on the big picture. Yeah, I'd say Free Software is rapidly becoming irrelevant.
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You're right.
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@bkuhn you're both prosecutor and judge, which may be !problematic
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Nice of you to say that I'm personally so important, but this is really about how underfunded the key non-profits are, not about my own time
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